tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post1518241741691751110..comments2023-05-30T08:29:42.770-04:00Comments on The Erotica Readers & Writers Association Blog: Not Naughty, Not NiceCroco Designshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04417265522875605547noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-16136348934524271202012-12-28T20:42:10.605-05:002012-12-28T20:42:10.605-05:00i like to wank to erotica, but it has to be well-w...i like to wank to erotica, but it has to be well-written. if it's full of malapropisms & poor grammar, i can't get off. there's a skill to writing erotica that is sexually stimulating.Amanda Earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09059621442042833693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-2068381761274069572012-12-26T23:31:52.336-05:002012-12-26T23:31:52.336-05:00@Craig - no way I want to be sheriff!
@Lynne - In...@Craig - no way I want to be sheriff!<br /><br />@Lynne - Interesting. This is not a big NY publisher (in fact it's a UK publisher) but they've been around for at least five years, and they have fairly well known people on their staff, as well as writing for them. (And I HAVE read some good books they've released - I chalk that up to the individual authors, though.)<br /><br />@Jan - Thanks for dropping by. It makes me wonder on what basis a publisher can take its 50-70% cut of profits. I mean, we use a publisher, rather than self-pubbing, BECAUSE we want the editing services (and art, and to some extent marketing, or at least fulfillment). These guys aren't earning their percentage, in my opinion.<br /><br />And although I'd like to believe there will be a backlash, I wonder. Sometimes I think literacy has declined to the extent that readers don't even notice bad writing.<br /><br />@Sophie - Great point! We write so that we can entertain ourselves. Because I have to admit, I enjoy my own work more than at least 50% of what I read!<br /><br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-10431724070554022862012-12-26T18:04:52.762-05:002012-12-26T18:04:52.762-05:00I've been meaning to read this post for a whil...I've been meaning to read this post for a while now - so true, if rather depressing. I'm such a slow writer that I will always have to stick to writing stories I'd like to read else I'd get no entertainment at all! <br />Thank you for a great post Lisabet.Sophie Angmeringnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-46000963133656315092012-12-26T14:41:23.758-05:002012-12-26T14:41:23.758-05:00I read for character and story first. Occasionally...I read for character and story first. Occasionally an erotic premise might intrigue me but that's rare. Lately I've found I either read only 'tried and true' writers in romances or I don't read at all. Sex alone, no matter how inventive, I find rather boring after years of reading it. Now, sex with intriguing characters in a well-realized setting with compelling feeling...that I will always read.<br /><br />As I writer I think you have to try to put everything you have into your work and that is the best path. Hey, if the work doesn't sell so well, at least you felt fulfilled. And if it does, then it's a double win. <br /><br />I think there will be a backlash to badly edited material. Readers are sooner or later going to get tired of the emptiness of just the sex in books. <br /><br />I did read a badly edited self published YA series lately. It is very popular and a very, very good series, but I wanted to write the author and tell her to get a decent editor to look over the books. Good editing is essential. It can be more than just periods and word choice, it can be about filling out a scene, avoiding reader confusion and so much more.Jan Irvinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701536169324333801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-36287318989517535802012-12-26T10:10:05.695-05:002012-12-26T10:10:05.695-05:00If the publishers had any quality control, the com...If the publishers had any quality control, the comments would be relevant. But you're talking about a well-known house. <br />In the past, the big houses put out lots of badly edited, formula crap. Tons of the stuff. I'm just now clearing a lot of it from my bookshelves which is reminding me that the good old days weren't always that good. <br />If the big publishers really wanted to make a difference and give themselves a good marketing position, they'd go all-out for quality. Historical romance with some real history in it. Paranormal romance with consistent world building. And great editing, both content and copy.<br />Instead, they're leaping in to the epub fray and quality is going down, if anything. Agents are throwing their clients' backlists against the wall. Advances are so far down they might as well not be there.<br />It's a new world and sooner or later we'll sort out how to cope with it.lynneconnollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687025766573756077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-691865528508832782012-12-23T22:39:36.393-05:002012-12-23T22:39:36.393-05:00Thanks for posting this rant. There are a few ebo...Thanks for posting this rant. There are a few ebook publishers that hold some high standards, but I fear they don't do so well. Many don't last because the investment taken to produce a quality product isn't sufficient.<br /><br />About the only erotic epubs that seem to last are the ones that put out high volumes, and since the model is working, why change it?<br /><br />I truly hope this is, to borrow from Donna's comment, like the wild west. Maybe we could get a new sheriff in town to clean up this mess. The covers are beyond terrible. Some of my stories have landed in collections with covers that have downright embarrassed me, and that isn't an easy thing to do.<br /><br />I don't know which publisher you're talking about. Several could fit the bill, and that unto itself is discouraging.<br /><br />I don't know the answer, but I share your indignation.<br /><br />So let me put in my vote for "Lisabet for Sheriff." :-)<br /><br />CraigCraig Sorensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08101869420537661374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-23464968889610250522012-12-23T13:33:30.270-05:002012-12-23T13:33:30.270-05:00Lisabet,
It's brave of you to post this durin...Lisabet,<br /><br />It's brave of you to post this during the "holiday season," when jollity & puffery abound, but it needed to be said. You are so right, and I'm glad you DID name a publisher with high standards (Cleis). As a reviewer, I don't think every story in a Cleis anthology is equal to every other, but the covers always look tasteful and the copyediting is probably the best I've seen (even compared to that of academic publishers).<br /><br />The publisher you don't name may not think they need your work, but it's their loss.<br /><br />I think the Erotic Authors Ass'n should definitely do something - set up an honest guide to publishers in the field, and/or maybe a panel at the next EAA conference.<br /><br />- JeanJean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-50780732023447568682012-12-22T23:33:27.845-05:002012-12-22T23:33:27.845-05:00"Sex has been demeaned and degraded for thous..."Sex has been demeaned and degraded for thousands of years, but even in our relatively enlightened age, it's almost as if people still want it to be stupid and low-class to keep it properly in its place"<br /><br />Now there's a conspiracy theory, Donna! However, there's a lot of truth in what you say. <br /><br />Maybe EAA can do something. Come up with an EAA certification - this erotica is worth reading. Unfortunately, that would be totally subjective. <br /><br />One could come up with a certification of competent editing, though. That at least could be judge according to specific criteria.<br /><br />Thanks for your comments.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-14183014146366809692012-12-22T23:31:14.336-05:002012-12-22T23:31:14.336-05:00Hello, Elizabeth,
Oh, I hear you! Editing is NOT ...Hello, Elizabeth,<br /><br />Oh, I hear you! Editing is NOT optional. No author, even a grammar and spelling purist like me (LOL) can write a perfect book, and many authors appear to assume that fixing nuts-and-bolts problems is the editor's job. The author's job is to be creative. <br /><br />So, take away the editor and what do you get? <br /><br />I'm not going to use a curse word here, but you know what I mean!<br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-10642846335437578842012-12-22T23:28:57.952-05:002012-12-22T23:28:57.952-05:00Hi, Naomi,
It used to be that if you could write ...Hi, Naomi,<br /><br />It used to be that if you could write one full-length book per year, you were viewed as prolific. Sigh. <br /><br />However, I think one needs to resist the pressure, and focus on the quality, if only to preserve one's self-respect.<br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-51424039375616265972012-12-22T23:27:38.438-05:002012-12-22T23:27:38.438-05:00By the way, Kathleen - your point about the world ...By the way, Kathleen - your point about the world looking down on erotica is painfully true. From the outside, there's no difference between a publisher like Cleis (who puts out near-perfect books) and this publisher. Both are considered "erotic publishers" and thus the reputable imprints will be tarred with the same brush as this trash.<br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-24489033671567971992012-12-22T23:26:04.659-05:002012-12-22T23:26:04.659-05:00Hi, Kathleen,
"Whoever that publisher is, th...Hi, Kathleen,<br /><br />"Whoever that publisher is, they won't be around long." <br /><br />I'm not sure you're right. They've been around for at least four years, and are getting bigger rather than smaller. Somehow I got on their mailing list. I started receiving newsletters on a weekly basis, each one highlighting half a dozen new releases. (I just unsubscribed.)<br /><br />Now, it's not impossible to put out that volume and still keep the quality high. Total-E-Bound manages six new releases a week. However, they have a crowd of editors (at least a dozen), and each book goes through at least two rounds of edits, one for content and one for final copy editing, each reviewed by the author. <br /><br />Takes work, organization and commitment, however. I don't get the feeling the publisher in question has nearly as much as TEB.<br /> Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-88941646078556797272012-12-22T23:22:03.160-05:002012-12-22T23:22:03.160-05:00Hi, Maggie,
It appears that the majority of reade...Hi, Maggie,<br /><br />It appears that the majority of readers do NOT feel cheated. This really makes me wonder. <br /><br />Of course, I don't know anything about the sales numbers for this or similar books. One can't necessarily draw any strong conclusions from the Amazon reviews. since so many of such reviews (both positive and negative) are not from legitimate, disinterested readers. Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-9162322216766159432012-12-21T16:29:34.892-05:002012-12-21T16:29:34.892-05:00I totally agree. Publishing is a bit of a Wild We...I totally agree. Publishing is a bit of a Wild West right now, with everyone scrambling to figure out how to make money with the new possibilities. Not too many seem to care about the quality. I think Elizabeth makes an excellent point that encouraging writers to produce stories as quickly as possible leads to rushed, shoddy, spiritless products. Sex has been demeaned and degraded for thousands of years, but even in our relatively enlightened age, it's almost as if people still want it to be stupid and low-class to keep it properly in its place.<br /><br />I wish there were something we can do. Avoid these terrible publishers, definitely. Otherwise, stay true to ourselves and write as well as we can. Resist the pressure to crank out something because that means the publisher will sell more books, even if it's just a few dozen of each title. There are certainly challenges to this, but what about a "Jane's Guide" type of review page for publishers, applauding high-quality work as well as particularly sloppy books? I also resist naming names, it feels like bad karma, but there may be braver types who manage it?Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13615190390845433428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-60667739417774917122012-12-21T11:39:48.260-05:002012-12-21T11:39:48.260-05:00I thought a big problem was simply poorly written ...I thought a big problem was simply poorly written books but I've seen in recent months problems with poor editing and ugly book covers. Scratch that - <i>non-existent</i> editing. Many of the self-published books have these problems. Yes, I've been told to get out as many books as possible but it's next to impossible to come up with a quality product when you're rushed like that. No wonder so many people ridicule erotica, romance, and the people who read and write both.Elizabeth Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02322056244180901707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-77151323192747533342012-12-21T11:19:39.984-05:002012-12-21T11:19:39.984-05:00Is there ever really a good place for 'manhood...Is there ever really a good place for 'manhood?' :-) Sadly, the name of the game seems to be numbers now, put out as many books as possible. Good post, if a sad subject.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08698820496991305443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-14107711013248119632012-12-21T09:54:34.899-05:002012-12-21T09:54:34.899-05:00It's bad enough that most of the world looks d...It's bad enough that most of the world looks down on erotica. Must publishers give them another reason? In the short run it seems that poor editing and writing is a good business model, but they won't have many repeat customers, and repeat customers who praise your product are the foundation of any long term business plan. Whoever that publisher is, they won't be around long. Kathleen Bradeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06347913255760493335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-61359380057548900922012-12-21T07:35:16.468-05:002012-12-21T07:35:16.468-05:00Hi Lisabet
I know exactly what you're saying....Hi Lisabet<br /><br />I know exactly what you're saying. I too have had a similar experience with a few books from a particular well known publisher. As an author, I'm annoyed by the poor writing and editing, and as a reader I feel cheated. It's not doing our industry any favours. Good for you for saying it publicly, and I totally understand why you prefer not to name names. <br /><br />Maggie<br />Maggie Nashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14854209185219050066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-91235942706297469002012-12-21T07:19:04.733-05:002012-12-21T07:19:04.733-05:00Hi, Rachel,
I don't want to trash anyone in a...Hi, Rachel,<br /><br />I don't want to trash anyone in a public forum.<br /><br />(*I* am nice...!)Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-2856227793617804022012-12-21T04:50:56.139-05:002012-12-21T04:50:56.139-05:00name and shame, dear lady. Save your readers from ...name and shame, dear lady. Save your readers from wasting their money.Rachel Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13048590167153841615noreply@blogger.com