tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post5345928897936788098..comments2023-05-30T08:29:42.770-04:00Comments on The Erotica Readers & Writers Association Blog: Is There a Man in the House?Croco Designshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04417265522875605547noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-43735064204181164632014-06-01T23:40:04.779-04:002014-06-01T23:40:04.779-04:00I can provide my answer to that. Spencer's mal...I can provide my answer to that. Spencer's male characters treat the women in the story as people, not just pussies. Intelligence, sense of humor, general grit - these are all as important as her boob size. As a woman, I love to meet a guy who has that attitude. And I think other women feel the same way. Certainly, my DH, who's no prince charming as far as looks are concerned, has a deep respect for and enjoyment of women as people (sexual people). He's had an unbelievable number of lovers, and even now that he's in his seventies, women still are drawn to him.<br /><br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-3292432982248101532014-05-31T22:06:51.197-04:002014-05-31T22:06:51.197-04:00That is a very good question.
My stories are mostl...That is a very good question.<br />My stories are mostly HEA or HFN. She sees a potential for a relationship and is willing to take a risk that with encouragement, he will too. On another level she enjoys being able to manipulate a man and relishes in the desire she stimulates.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-2187069655087904732014-05-31T11:25:25.583-04:002014-05-31T11:25:25.583-04:00"My typical MO is a slightly clueless guy who..."My typical MO is a slightly clueless guy who falls into the clutches of a sexually aggressive woman."<br /><br />A very common male fantasy, well represented in erotica written by men. A certain amount of wish fulfillment in it, yes? And nothing wrong with that. I write a fair amount of male fantasy, male POV myself.<br /><br />But let me ask a question—and I'll preface this by saying I'm not familiar with your writing, Spencer, so you may well have addressed this. If a female reader were to pick up one of your stories and read it, what's in it for her to relate to?<br /><br />For me, that starts with the female character needing to be there for more than getting the dude's rocks off. What does <i>she</i> get out of their encounter? Why is she sexually aggressive in the first place?CJ Lemirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-12828356619127219272014-05-29T19:29:13.205-04:002014-05-29T19:29:13.205-04:00CJ, Fiona:
Interesting points. Fiona I don't r...CJ, Fiona:<br />Interesting points. Fiona I don't read M/M so I can't argue with your observation. My typical MO is a slightly clueless guy who falls into the clutches of a sexually aggressive woman. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-76794939601315372762014-05-27T11:51:48.893-04:002014-05-27T11:51:48.893-04:00I think it's a matter of the inner dialogue th...I think it's a matter of the inner dialogue thing. When men write erotica, it's the whole, "Pizza delivery! And here's your pepperoni!" (sound of zipper). So all females are nympomaniacs who don't need anything "boring" like foreplay or romance to entice them. They'll just drop trou and get to it...kind of like what men do with each other in M/M romance. As my gay cousin has told me, when you get 2 men together, all both of them can think of is getting off. When you get a woman and a man together, she's wondering what he thinks of her, will he be around after the sex is done? Etc.<br /><br />Having been the kind of woman who went strictly for the "hook-ups" long before that's what they were called, I've now been happily married for 30 years. But it took me a long time to realize that most women don't think like I do. Most over-think the whole sex act. I always saw it as an appetite, like wanting food...or an itch that needed scratching. But most women imbue it with so much more.<br /><br />I write contemporary erotic romance because I don't want to return to the days when a woman's only value was in her intact hymen. And birth control is non-negotiable with me, so I often deal with it in the story.Fiona McGierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495707848048468428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-20549360569385311682014-05-27T10:05:07.088-04:002014-05-27T10:05:07.088-04:00Two examples off the top of my head. Characters ch...Two examples off the top of my head. Characters changing names mid-story. A narrative arc consisting of a hook, followed by a flashback detailing the entire history of the characters' relationship to this point, before getting started with the actual story.<br /><br />I started reading <i>Herotica</i> anthologies in the mid-90s partly because there was more craft in the writing, and partly because here were female characters who were subjects of the sex they were having—equal participants who were engaging in it for their own pleasure/reasons—and not merely objects of desire. That's closer to the type of sex I want to both have, and read about.CJ Lemirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-25360931724405192762014-05-26T20:52:39.262-04:002014-05-26T20:52:39.262-04:00Why was what men did "bad"? How exactly ...Why was what men did "bad"? How exactly did women "raise the bar" if men were writing about their fantasies and their needs? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-54966990785688317172014-05-26T18:12:31.270-04:002014-05-26T18:12:31.270-04:00One thing I have to give the ladies credit for is ...One thing I have to give the ladies credit for is raising the quality bar. The social compact in 1980-ish was men were allowed to have our dirty words/pictures, in the brown paper envelope in the nightstand drawer, as long as we didn't take it out and discuss it in "polite society" (i.e. when ladies—who would never ever be interested in such things—were present). Erotic writing wasn't expected to be of high quality, and much of it lived down to expectations.CJ Lemirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-34846620091073718382014-05-26T14:08:06.042-04:002014-05-26T14:08:06.042-04:00I ask all three of you , or anyone else. Is 'm...I ask all three of you , or anyone else. Is 'male' erotic fiction different now from 1980? If so, how?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-36241847033915249612014-05-26T09:12:51.357-04:002014-05-26T09:12:51.357-04:00I agree with Annabeth and Remittance Girl—and I wa...I agree with Annabeth and Remittance Girl—and I was reading erotic fiction in 1980. The feminization of erotic fiction is a recent phenomenon.CJ Lemirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-52487769693567477152014-05-26T09:04:48.958-04:002014-05-26T09:04:48.958-04:00Wasn't reading erotic fiction in 1980. That is...Wasn't reading erotic fiction in 1980. That is interesting. Why was that and what changed?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-59779875387789978882014-05-26T09:02:02.974-04:002014-05-26T09:02:02.974-04:00I have several submissions in the queue. They are ...I have several submissions in the queue. They are 'awaiting an acquiring editor'. The first one has been there five months.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-26006390310729004932014-05-26T04:51:34.674-04:002014-05-26T04:51:34.674-04:00I'll bet there are still lots of men writing e...I'll bet there are still lots of men writing erotic romance and publishing it under female pseudonyms because it sells better that way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11889482544463723850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-69567919950135882712014-05-25T21:47:27.246-04:002014-05-25T21:47:27.246-04:00Your argument leaves out the fact that for most of...Your argument leaves out the fact that for most of history, until about 1980, it was predominantly men who wrote erotic fiction. <br /><br />But I enjoyed your post anyway. Remittance Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902713020074243375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-43005434682578141602014-05-25T17:16:48.169-04:002014-05-25T17:16:48.169-04:00I once spoke with them about this. They said they ...I once spoke with them about this. They said they wanted male authors and readers, but they got female authors and readers (probably partly because there are plenty of women who want to read erotica with more sex and less about relationships, but that's another issue...). If you're interested, I'm pretty sure they would love to get a submission to that line from a male author.Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-67144503086001988422014-05-25T17:06:35.598-04:002014-05-25T17:06:35.598-04:00Which particular part of the rant are wanting more...Which particular part of the rant are wanting more of? The feminization of erotica? The incredible wacky theory of evolution? (BTW it's properly Bennet's Theory of Rogue Male Evolution-as delineated in my yet unpublished story "The Gueschtunkina Ray Gun") My sordid life as old guy/ new author? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-86978029517191582652014-05-25T17:02:30.392-04:002014-05-25T17:02:30.392-04:00Good point. Behind the silliness of my evolutionar...Good point. Behind the silliness of my evolutionary theory (which one day will be proved correct) is the feminization of erotica. The six hundred pound gorilla of erotic romance has a line dedicated to male erotica. It's mostly short works, the kind I write. The line says that stories should be 'about male fantasies and male need and not as much about relationships.' I have read nearly everything on their current line up. Unless some guy is publishing under a woman's name there is not one story by a male author. Furthermore many of the stories are a female POV. What's up with that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-3292196685081917572014-05-25T16:43:12.664-04:002014-05-25T16:43:12.664-04:00Please continue your view on the subject at hand, ...Please continue your view on the subject at hand, I was very pleased with this reading.<br />- Ponygirl, NJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-25339775526635421572014-05-25T16:03:14.818-04:002014-05-25T16:03:14.818-04:00An amusing post, as others have said. To address t...An amusing post, as others have said. To address the question seriously for a moment, if you check older erotica collections (from 10 years ago or more), you will see many more male names. I have a theory that the explosion of erotic romance, which is more female-associated, has changed the erotica genre a great deal. Perhaps because men are often socialized to get away from female-identified things lest they damage their perceived masculinity. And romance as a genre has historically been female-identified. Though I think there's a lot of BS to that as well. Look at how many very romantic movies are out there written by men starring men—they just don't get called "romance." Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-45250586349716248262014-05-25T09:51:43.143-04:002014-05-25T09:51:43.143-04:00Lisabet:
Hee, hee, yes, lively. But how can you a...Lisabet:<br /><br />Hee, hee, yes, lively. But how can you argue with such solid science?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-10992264339974200952014-05-25T09:41:56.487-04:002014-05-25T09:41:56.487-04:00Oh, Spencer.what a bright way to open my day. I ha...Oh, Spencer.what a bright way to open my day. I have often wondered why more men don't write erotic; now I know. Ugh!! So, while you guys were dragging us off by our hair 'to have your way with us' we were applying lipgloss in preparation for leading you to our own nirvana. Dragged by the hair or dragged by the penis, the destination is the same. Brightened my day. I am sitting here tending my husband's own man-club after bladder surgery on Friday. Not fun, but you post reminds me of the pleasure it has brought into my life in a very amusing and reflective way. Happy soon to be Father's Day. Bet you're a riot to have around the house. Got to read more of you :) xoMuffy Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00659495646622567840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7396437919069310850.post-81631217509499428712014-05-25T08:08:44.941-04:002014-05-25T08:08:44.941-04:00This is so funny, Spencer! I don't really agre...This is so funny, Spencer! I don't really agree with you - I think women are just as interested in the physical and the visual, if they'll just admit it to themselves. However, It's a lively argument.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.com